[MURG] Re: MURG digest, Vol 1 #155 - 3 msgs

[sivanand murugesan]

hi,
 
Pet uploading idea sounds good. This could be one of the channels through which we could bring in funds. We can also consider setting up some kind of educational institution where we could teach Neuroscience, ProstheThe file is viewable with Dia:
http://www.lysator.liu.se/~alla/dia/

> 1. The worm project is to demonstrate feasibility, but for what?

Feasibility of reproducing neural activity, and proof of our commitment and
ability.

> We need a business plan that tells us what IS the product, and how
> does it generate income, etc. Otherwise it would still be a volunteer
> job.

Are you proposing we get into the biotech business in the near future?
If so, we'll need to find scientists who are willing to work for a startup,
seasoned upper management, legal counsel, and VC. I am also nervous about
starting a business during a global recession.
What I had in mind was finishing the worm project in order to get some
research experience under our belts, and continue on a volunteer basis. I'll
admit, though, that I haven't yet fully fleshed out my idea.

> 2. Maybe we should consider re-using other people's stuff. For example
> if there is an existing cell-outlining software, then maybe we should try
> to co-opt those people rather than create our own. This saves *time*,
> which is most valuable.

Absolutely. I believe we lookedrt 3.1 message/rfc822 Date: Mon, 12 May The file is viewable with Dia:
http://www.lysator.liu.se/~alla/dia/

> 1. The worm project is to demonstrate feasibility, but for what?

Feasibility of reproducing neural activity, and proof of our commitment and
ability.

> We need a business plan that tells us what IS the product, and how
> does it generate income, etc. Otherwise it would still be a volunteer
> job.

Are you proposing we get into the biotech business in the near future?
If so, we'll need to find scientists who are willing to work for a startup,
seasoned upper management, legal counsel, and VC. I am also nervous about
starting a business during a global recession.
What I had in mind was finishing the worm project in order to get some
research experience under our belts, and continue on a volunteer basis. I'll
admit, though, that I haven't yet fully fleshed out my idea.

> 2. Maybe we should consider re-using other people's stuff. For example
> if there is an existing cell-outlining software, then maybe we should try
> to co-opt those people rather than create our own. This saves *time*,
> which is most valuable.

Absolutely. I believe we lookedlations for people to interact with online forThe file is viewable with Dia:
http://www.lysator.liu.se/~alla/dia/

> 1. The worm project is to demonstrate feasibility, but for what?

Feasibility of reproducing neural activity, and proof of our commitment and
ability.

> We need a business plan that tells us what IS the product, and how
> does it generate income, etc. Otherwise it would still be a volunteer
> job.

Are you proposing we get into the biotech business in the near future?
If so, we'll need to find scientists who are willing to work for a startup,
seasoned upper management, legal counsel, and VC. I am also nervous about
starting a business during a global recession.
What I had in mind was finishing the worm project in order to get some
research experience under our belts, and continue on a volunteer basis. I'll
admit, though, that I haven't yet fully fleshed out my idea.

> 2. Maybe we should consider re-using other people's stuff. For example
> if there is an existing cell-outlining software, then maybe we should try
> to co-opt those people rather than create our own. This saves *time*,
> which is most valuable.

Absolutely. I believe we looked>
But let's not forget option 3 uplThe file is viewable with Dia:
http://www.lysator.liu.se/~alla/dia/

> 1. The worm project is to demonstrate feasibility, but for what?

Feasibility of reproducing neural activity, and proof of our commitment and
ability.

> We need a business plan that tells us what IS the product, and how
> does it generate income, etc. Otherwise it would still be a volunteer
> job.

Are you proposing we get into the biotech business in the near future?
If so, we'll need to find scientists who are willing to work for a startup,
seasoned upper management, legal counsel, and VC. I am also nervous about
starting a business during a global recession.
What I had in mind was finishing the worm project in order to get some
research experience under our belts, and continue on a volunteer basis. I'll
admit, though, that I haven't yet fully fleshed out my idea.

> 2. Maybe we should consider re-using other people's stuff. For example
> if there is an existing cell-outlining software, then maybe we should try
> to co-opt those people rather than create our own. This saves *time*,
> which is most valuable.

Absolutely. I believe we lookedf those who now or will need medical
caThe file is viewable with Dia:
http://www.lysator.liu.se/~alla/dia/

> 1. The worm project is to demonstrate feasibility, but for what?

Feasibility of reproducing neural activity, and proof of our commitment and
ability.

> We need a business plan that tells us what IS the product, and how
> does it generate income, etc. Otherwise it would still be a volunteer
> job.

Are you proposing we get into the biotech business in the near future?
If so, we'll need to find scientists who are willing to work for a startup,
seasoned upper management, legal counsel, and VC. I am also nervous about
starting a business during a global recession.
What I had in mind was finishing the worm project in order to get some
research experience under our belts, and continue on a volunteer basis. I'll
admit, though, that I haven't yet fully fleshed out my idea.

> 2. Maybe we should consider re-using other people's stuff. For example
> if there is an existing cell-outlining software, then maybe we should try
> to co-opt those people rather than create our own. This saves *time*,
> which is most valuable.

Absolutely. I believe we lookedmage files, includes an estimated timeline. The file is viewable with Dia:
http://www.lysator.liu.se/~alla/dia/

> 1. The worm project is to demonstrate feasibility, but for what?

Feasibility of reproducing neural activity, and proof of our commitment and
ability.

> We need a business plan that tells us what IS the product, and how
> does it generate income, etc. Otherwise it would still be a volunteer
> job.

Are you proposing we get into the biotech business in the near future?
If so, we'll need to find scientists who are willing to work for a startup,
seasoned upper management, legal counsel, and VC. I am also nervous about
starting a business during a global recession.
What I had in mind was finishing the worm project in order to get some
research experience under our belts, and continue on a volunteer basis. I'll
admit, though, that I haven't yet fully fleshed out my idea.

> 2. Maybe we should consider re-using other people's stuff. For example
> if there is an existing cell-outlining software, then maybe we should try
> to co-opt those people rather than create our own. This saves *time*,
> which is most valuable.

Absolutely. I believe we looked for existing useful projects a couple of
years ago, and there were none to be found. That may have changed since.
> ATTACHMENT part 3.3 message/rfc822 From: cat13 at illrepute.org
To: murg at minduploading.org
Subject: Re: [MURG] Money making MURG idea--now pay me ;)!
Date: 12 May 2003 21:38:41 -0400

James Swayze writes:

> Here's an idea for getting dollars for serious research with a not so serious
> gimmick. Offer to upload people's dearly departed pets for continued
> interaction with them via the internet.

('via the internet'...or an Aibo)

Oh, my god.
The sad part is, I think people would go for it (http://www.savingsandclone.com/).

> Of course real uploading of their pet
> isn't possible yet so the fine print caveat, just like with the "Psychic
> Hotline", is that it is for "Entertainment Purposes only". Go through the
> motions of having the client obtain an fMRI at their own expense. Try to make
> correlations between the fMRI data, possibly even a PET scan too (no pun
> intended), since a PET scan may intimate (not imitate) patterns of behavior.
> Take copious notes on the owner's and friends/family of the owner anecdotal
> heresay of the former pet's behavior and obtain photos and videos.

I wouldn't be comfortable associating the idea of uploading with "entertainment
purposes only" novelties. I think one of our biggest needs right now is for more
people to take it seriously.
However, your later suggestions on real uploading of pets are persuasive.

I dunno, though...your argument is starting to work its way into my brain. I am
able to envision a scenario wherein uploading starts as a novelty, becomes a
household-common idea that way, and, after acceptability, achieves respectability.
That depends heavily on a) it becoming common, and b) the feasibility of an idea
going from rejected to accepted in common view.


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