[MURG] minduploading from within

[Ed Minchau]

 --- "Randal A. Koene" <rak at minduploading.org> wrote:
> Hi Thomas,
> 
> While I'm sure many will find issues to debate with
> you, I find your post
> thoroughly refreshing! :)
> 
> After all this high-talking about making money off
> of uploading this and
> that - while we don't even know how to go about it -
> I'm gratified to see
> someone contemplating some of the deeper issues
> about mind uploading.

Hi Randal, 

The talk of funding is necessary, to a point; but, it
must be understood that once we finally  upload a
human being successfully, everything changes.  The
result would not be just an upload, but a _human-level
artificial intelligence_.  The person could be copied
easily, once you have one, you could make more - each
that same person, but on divergent parallel timelines.

What would money mean to an uploaded person?  What
would it mean to a mind that could be transmitted to a
robotic body on the moon?


> On Wed, 14 May 2003, Thomas Weber wrote:
<snikt>
 Therefore some essential parts of the
> mind
> > will have to be dropped:
> > 1. Fear or concern about health and death.
> > 2. All instincts related to bio-food aquisition,
> > consumption and bio-processing.
> > 3. Sexual instincts
> > 4. Sleep
> > 5. All emotions and feelings toward other humans
> as we
> > experience them now.

If we excise essential parts of the mind from the
upload, then the result is not the full person, by
definition not the same person at all.

Sleep in particular will probably have to remain;
crucial steps in long-term memory formation take place
during sleep.

> A post human will be a be a
> > different being with it,s own emotions and feeligs
> >
> > probably more profound.

I agree that things will surely change; rather than by
removing essentials, it would occur by addition.  The
upload is already in an artificial brain; what's wrong
with adding a few USB ports, a few peripherals, the
internet...

<snip>
> When uploaded what I want to leave behind are all 
> my bio-human griefs, fears, resentmens, guilts 
> etc., all bio-human insticts as listed above and a >
few more unnecessary things.

If you, as an upload, go on "living", you will
invariably encounter new griefs, fears, resentments,
and guilts.  That's life.

> > What I want to remain and expand on is the artist,
> > designer and engineer who will be programmed to
> create
> > the greatest aircraft he can possibly imagine.
> > Kind Regards to you all,
> > Thomas Weber
> >

Without fears, would you program saftey factors into
your aircraft?  Why bother with saftey, right?  Strap
some JATO units and a wing onto your uploaded computer
and see how fast you can go.  

I just can't see it happening like that.  Instead, you
would be adding things like a bank of processors
running Mathematica or Maya.

:) ed

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