[MURG] Re: MURG digest, Vol 1 #159 - 3 msgs

sivanand murugesan sivanand_m at yahoo.com
Sun May 18 04:47:43 EST 2003 

Hi,

Sorry my previous mail was corrupt and when i tried to
resend it again it had some problems. 

My idea was, why not we set up a educational
institution that teaches all the subjects related to
mind uploading, this includes Computing,
Neuro-science,  
Implant techniques, Nanotech etc. This has several
advantages:
would not on


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> ATTACHMENT part 3.1 message/rfc822 
> Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 17:34:52 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Thomas Weber <aad1trailmaker at yahoo.ca>
> Subject: Re: [MURG] minduploading from within
> To: murg at minduploading.org
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>  --- king-yin yan <y.k.y at lycos.com> wrote: > Ed
> Minchau wrote:
> > >The talk of funding is necessary, to a point;
> but,
> > it
> > >must be understood that once we finally  upload a
> > >human being successfully, everything changes. 
> The
> > >result would not be just an upload, but a
> > _human-level
> > >artificial intelligence_.  The person could be
> > copied
> > >easily, once you have one, you could make more -
> > each
> > >that same person, but on divergent parallel
> > timelines.
> > 
> > Why would you assume everyone will be interested
> in
> > making copies? I'm into fusion. You don't have to
> > fuse
> > with me though, calm down =)
> > Thomas Weber:
>   As making copies will be possible and useful in
> some
> circumstances some uploads will go for it, some will
> explore other options.
> 
> > >What would money mean to an uploaded person? 
> What
> > >would it mean to a mind that could be transmitted
> > to a
> > >robotic body on the moon?
> > 
> > I don't see much difference. Information cannot
> > exist
> > independent of matter and energy, and hence it
> will
> > depend on the economy and society just the same.
> > 
> > ========
> > 
> > >Thomas Weber wrote:
> > >> > will have to be dropped:
> > >> > 1. Fear or concern about health and death.
> > >> > 2. All instincts related to bio-food
> > aquisition,
> > >> > consumption and bio-processing.
> > >> > 3. Sexual instincts
> > >> > 4. Sleep
> > >> > 5. All emotions and feelings toward other
> > humans
> > >> as we
> > >> > experience them now.
> > 
> > Hi Thomas =)
> > 
> > You want to drop sexual instincts, I may not. What
> > transpires
> > is MU is probably going to be very personal. It's
> > just like how
> > we make use of our PCs differently.
> Thomas Weber: MU is not a single trail. You are
> right
> it has to be very personal for each of us. We must
> therefore be careful with projecting our plans to
> others. You don't have to drop sexual instincts,
> neither do I. I just don't see that much use for it
> after uploaded. But if we want to - being able to
> design ourselves as we please we may exist as 
> really
> good looking androids and go after the prittiest
> girls
> in town.
> > > >> When uploaded what I want to leave behind are
> all
> > 
> > >> my bio-human griefs, fears, resentmens, guilts 
> > >> etc., all bio-human insticts as listed above
> and
> > a >
> > >few more unnecessary things.
> > 
> > Hehe it sounds like your current life sucks.
> > Thomas:
>   Hehe yours doesn't? Why then you want to so
> dramatically improve it???  
> > YKY
> > 
> > 
> >
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> ATTACHMENT part 3.2 message/rfc822 
> Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 17:56:29 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Thomas Weber <aad1trailmaker at yahoo.ca>
> Subject: Re: [MURG] minduploading from within
> To: murg at minduploading.org
> 
> Hi Randall,
> Thank you for your response and recognition of my
> opinion. Transhumanity including mind uploading have
> been my interest all my life. Sometimes I think i
> was
> born transhuman. As you indicate that you haven't
> sat
> down to think what kind of mental preparation we
> need
> for MU - I have been doing just that for 8 years. I
> subsequent communications I would like contribute
> sharing some of my findings with you.
> Kind Regards,
> Thomas Weber
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  --- "Randal A. Koene" <rak at minduploading.org>
> wrote:
> > Hi Thomas,
> > 
> > While I'm sure many will find issues to debate
> with
> > you, I find your post
> > thoroughly refreshing! :)
> > 
> > After all this high-talking about making money off
> > of uploading this and
> > that - while we don't even know how to go about it
> -
> > I'm gratified to see
> > someone contemplating some of the deeper issues
> > about mind uploading.
> > 
> > I agree that an uploaded mind will progress to
> > become something other than
> > "human". The prospects are fascinating. I haven't
> > sat down to consider
> > what sort of mental preparations one may need to
> > make prior to becoming
> > uploaded. My thought has been to set up the
> > uploading procedure such that
> > the shock of the transition is minimized, with
> > further changes to follow
> > in a piece-meal fashion.
> > 
> > Cheers,
> >        Randal
> > 
> > On Wed, 14 May 2003, Thomas Weber wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi everyone,
> > > I (Thomas Weber) have been reading the MURG
> emails
> > for
> > > quite a while with a great interest. To keep it
> > short
> > > I get straight to the point. I think the whole
> > > discussion while doing an excellent job
> exploring
> > mind
> > > uploading from the neuroscience end totally
> > ignores or
> > > overlooks the psychological aspect of it. In my
> > > opinion the idea of uploading movie stars or
> their
> > > pets for money is totally flawed and will never
> > work.
> > > Why? Because mind uploading is something that
> only
> > you
> > > can do on your own behalf from within your own
> > brain.
> > > Only once the mind has a sound understanding of
> > itself
> > > as a bio-computer program it can start
> > re-programing
> > > itself for post biological existence. Since the
> > mind
> > > will operate in a post biological environment
> and
> > be
> > > faced with practically infinite opportunities
> > profound
> > > mind upgrading will be necessary. Having a
> > bio-human
> > > mind in the post human reality will be a severe
> > > handicap. Therefore some essential parts of the
> > mind
> > > will have to be dropped:
> > > 1. Fear or concern about health and death.
> > > 2. All instincts related to bio-food aquisition,
> > > consumption and bio-processing.
> > > 3. Sexual instincts
> > > 4. Sleep
> > > 5. All emotions and feelings toward other humans
> > as we
> > > experience them now. A post human will be a be a
> > > different being with it,s own emotions and
> feeligs
> > >
> > > probably more profound.
> > > And there is of course more for further
> > discussion.
> > > The approach which I would like to suggest is
> > > SELECTIVE MIND UPLOADING. And it goes like this:
> > > 1. The mind strives to fully understand it's
> > > "psycho-anatomy"
> > > 2. The mind makes a commitment to advance into a
> > > higher being. Such a commitment is attached to
> to
> > a
> > > specific task(s) the mind wishes to accomplish.
> > For
> > > many of us this may be related to our
> > professional,
> > > academic or artistic capacities.
> > > 3. The mind(program) must make a decision which
> > parts
> > > are to be dropped(deprogrammed) and which to be
> > > upprogrammed.
> > > 4. The mind comes to MURG asking for help.
> > >
> > > A few words about myself - I am 42 y.o. My
> > background
> > > is in aviation and engineering. I currently work
> > on a
> > > sophisticated aircraft design. When uploaded
> what
> > I
> > > want to leave behind are all my bio-human
> griefs,
> > > fears, resentmens, guilts etc., all bio-human
> > insticts
> > > as listed above and a few more unnecessary
> things.
> > > What I want to remain and expand on is the
> artist,
> > > designer and engineer who will be programmed to
> > create
> > > the greatest aircraft he can possibly imagine.
> > > Kind Regards to you all,
> > > Thomas Weber
> > >
> > >
> >
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