[MURG] Re: MURG digest, Vol 1 #159 - 3 msgs

Sun May 18 10:03:33 EST 2003

Hi Sivanand,

In principle it sounds like a good idea. It would certainly advance the
exact type of research that is necessary and it is a plan with continuity.
It is also quite large in scope though, so I wonder what it would take to
set up something like that. Does anyone know what previous founders or
founding organizations of educational institutions have done to set
something like that up?

Cheers,
       Randal

On Sun, 18 May 2003, sivanand murugesan wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Sorry my previous mail was corrupt and when i tried to
> resend it again it had some problems.
>
> My idea was, why not we set up a educational
> institution that teaches all the subjects related to
> mind uploading, this includes Computing,
> Neuro-science,
> Implant techniques, Nanotech etc. This has several
> advantages:
>
> 1. Gives us credibility
> 2. Help us muster funds continually and gives us
> opportunity to get government aids.
> 3. Bringing in and nurturing fresh talent
> 4. actively engaging in R & D of MU and in the other
> related fields
>
> any comments.
>
> cheers
> siva
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> > AIArchitect, May 19, 2003 - Neuroscience Research
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> > ATTACHMENT part 3.1 message/rfc822
> > Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 17:34:52 -0400 (EDT)
> > From: Thomas Weber <aad1trailmaker at yahoo.ca>
> > Subject: Re: [MURG] minduploading from within
> > To: murg at minduploading.org
> >
> >  --- king-yin yan <y.k.y at lycos.com> wrote: > Ed
> > Minchau wrote:
> > > >The talk of funding is necessary, to a point;
> > but,
> > > it
> > > >must be understood that once we finally  upload a
> > > >human being successfully, everything changes.
> > The
> > > >result would not be just an upload, but a
> > > _human-level
> > > >artificial intelligence_.  The person could be
> > > copied
> > > >easily, once you have one, you could make more -
> > > each
> > > >that same person, but on divergent parallel
> > > timelines.
> > >
> > > Why would you assume everyone will be interested
> > in
> > > making copies? I'm into fusion. You don't have to
> > > fuse
> > > with me though, calm down =)
> > > Thomas Weber:
> >   As making copies will be possible and useful in
> > some
> > circumstances some uploads will go for it, some will
> > explore other options.
> >
> > > >What would money mean to an uploaded person?
> > What
> > > >would it mean to a mind that could be transmitted
> > > to a
> > > >robotic body on the moon?
> > >
> > > I don't see much difference. Information cannot
> > > exist
> > > independent of matter and energy, and hence it
> > will
> > > depend on the economy and society just the same.
> > >
> > > ========
> > >
> > > >Thomas Weber wrote:
> > > >> > will have to be dropped:
> > > >> > 1. Fear or concern about health and death.
> > > >> > 2. All iom architecture, that has been in the
> works
> > for 18 months, marks
> > a "new beginning bursting with potential," said
> > Alison M. Whitelaw, San
> > Diego Architectural Foundation president, who
> > announced the legacy
> > project at the same session.
> >
> > The foundation, with the support of the AIA national
> > component and its
> > leadership, established the not-for-profit academy
> > to collect and
> > disseminate hard scientific data on links that,
> > Whitelaw said, will
> > validate existing hypotheses or provide new findings
> > to bridge
> > neuroscience research and architecture studies. The
> > academy's San Diego
> > location will take advantage of the area's nexus of
> > neuroscience experts
> > and activities.
> >
> > An advisory committee of architects and
> > neuroscientists is developing
> > short- and long-term planning goals and, with an
> > organizing committee
> > primarily composed of San Diego architects, is
> > working out the academy's
> > management, communication, and business matters.
> > Among them are plans to
> > identify potential funding sources, establish
> > workshops, line up
> > projects in architecture education, and develop
> > videos and aD
> > and
> > > a >
> > > >few more unnecessary things.
> > >
> > > Hehe it sounds like your current life sucks.
> > > Thomas:
> >   Hehe yours doesn't? Why then you want to so
> > dramatically improve it???
> > > YKY
> > >
> > >
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> > ATTACHMENT part 3.2 message/rfc822
> > Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 17:56:29 -0400 (EDT)
> > From: Thomas Weber <aad1trailmaker at yahoo.ca>
> > Subject: Re: [MURG] minduploading from within
> > To: murg at minduploading.org
> >
> > Hi Randall,
> > Thank you for your response and recognition of my
> > opinion. Transhumanity including mind uploading have
> > been my interest all my life. Sometimes I think i
> > was
> > born transhuman. As you indicate that you haven't
> > sat
> > down to think what kind of mental preparation we
> > need
> > for MU - I have been doing just that for 8 years. I
> > subsequent communications I would like contribute
> > sharing some of my findings with you.
> > Kind Regards,
> > Thomas Weber
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  --- "Randal A. Koene" <rak at minduploading.org>
> > wrote:
> > > Hi Thomas,
> > >
> > > While I'm sure many will find issues to debate
> > with
> > > you, I find your post
> > > thoroughly refreshing! :)
> > >
> > > After all this high-talking about making money off
> > > of uploading this and
> > > that - while we don't even know how to go about it
> > -
> > > I'm gratified to see
> > > someone contemplating some of the deeper issues
> > > about mind uploading.
> > >
> > > I agree that an uploaded mind will progress to
> > > become something other than
> > > "human". The prospects are fascinating. I haven't
> > > sat down to consider
> > > what sort of mental preparations one may need to
> > > make prior to becoming
> > > uploaded. My thought has been to set up the
> > > uploading procedure such that
> > > the shock of the transition is minimized, with
> > > further changes to follow
> > > in a piece-meal fashion.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >        Randal
> > >
> > > On Wed, 14 May 2003, Thomas Weber wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi everyone,
> > > > I (Thomas Weber) have been reading the MURG
> > emails
> > > for
> > > > quite a while with a great interest. To keep it
> > > short
> > > > I get straight to the point. I think the whole
> > > > discussion while doing an excellent job
> > exploring
> > > mind
> > > > uploading from the neuroscience end totally
> > > ignores or
> > > > overlooks the psychological aspect of it. In my
> > > > opinion the idea of uploading movie stars or
> > their
> > > > pets for money is totally flawed and will never
> > > work.
> > > > Why? Because mind uploading is something that
> > only
> > > you
> > > > can do on your own behalf from within your own
> > > brain.
> > > > Only once the mind has a sound understanding of
> > > itself
> > > > as a bio-computer program it can start
> > > re-programing
> > > > itself for post biological existence. Since the
> > > mind
> > > > will operate in a post biological environment
> > and
> > > be
> > > > faced with practically infinite opportunities
> > > profound
> > > > mind upgrading will be necessary. Having a
> > > bio-human
> > > > mind in the post human reality will be a severe
> > > > handicap. Therefore some essential parts of the
> > > mind
> > > > will have to be dropped:
> > > > 1. Fear or concern about health and death.
> > > > 2. All instincts related to bio-food aquisition,
> > > > consumption and bio-processing.
> > > > 3. Sexual instincts
> > > > 4. Sleep
> > > > 5. All emotions and feelings toward other humans
> > > as we
> > > > experience them now. A post human will be a be a
> > > > different being with it,s own emotions and
> > feeligs
> > > >
> > > > probably more profound.
> > > > And there is of course more for further
> > > discussion.
> > > > The approach which I would like to suggest is
> > > > SELECTIVE MIND UPLOADING. And it goes like this:
> > > > 1. The mind strives to fully understand it's
> > > > "psycho-anatomy"
> > > > 2. The mind makes a commitment to advance into a
> > > > higher being. Such a commitment is attached to
> > to
> > > a
> > > > specific task(s) the mind wishes to accomplish.
> > > For
> > > > many of us this may be related to our
> > > professional,
> > > > academic or artistic capacities.
> > > > 3. The mind(program) must make a decision which
> > > parts
> > > > are to be dropped(deprogrammed) and which to be
> > > > upprogrammed.
> > > > 4. The mind comes to MURG asking for help.
> > > >
> > > > A few words about myself - I am 42 y.o. My
> > > background
> > > > is in aviation and engineering. I currently work
> > > on a
> > > > sophisticated aircraft design. When uploaded
> > what
> > > I
> > > > want to leave behind are all my bio-human
> > griefs,
> > > > fears, resentmens, guilts etc., all bio-human
> > > insticts
> > > > as listed above and a few more unnecessary
> > things.
> > > > What I want to remain and expand on is the
> > artist,
> > > > designer and engineer who will be programmed to
> > > create
> > > > the greatest aircraft he can possibly imagine.
> > > > Kind Regards to you all,
> > > > Thomas Weber
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> ______________________________________________________________________
> > > > Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
> > > > ____________om architecture, that has been in
> the works
> > for 18 months, marks
> > a "new beginning bursting with potential," said
> > Alison M. Whitelaw, San
> > Diego Architectural Foundation president, who
> > announced the legacy
> > project at the same session.
> >
> > The foundation, with the support of the AIA national
> > component and its
> > leadership, established the not-for-profit academy
> > to collect and
> > disseminate hard scientific data on links that,
> > Whitelaw said, will
> > validate existing hypotheses or provide new findings
> > to bridge
> > neuroscience research and architecture studies. The
> > academy's San Diego
> > location will take advantage of the area's nexus of
> > neuroscience experts
> > and activities.
> >
> > An advisory committee of architects and
> > neuroscientists is developing
> > short- and long-term planning goals and, with an
> > organizing committee
> > primarily composed of San Diego architects, is
> > working out the academy's
> > management, communication, and business matters.
> > Among them are plans to
> > identify potential funding sources, establish
> > workshops, line up
> > projects in architecture education, and develop
> > videos and a3Ceburson at andrew.cmu.edu>
> %0om
> architecture, that has been in the works
> > for 18 months, marks
> > a "new beginning bursting with potential," said
> > Alison M. Whitelaw, San
> > Diego Architectural Foundation president, who
> > announced the legacy
> > project at the same session.
> >
> > The foundation, with the support of the AIA national
> > component and its
> > leadership, established the not-for-profit academy
> > to collect and
> > disseminate hard scientific data on links that,
> > Whitelaw said, will
> > validate existing hypotheses or provide new findings
> > to bridge
> > neuroscience research and architecture studies. The
> > academy's San Diego
> > location will take advantage of the area's nexus of
> > neuroscience experts
> > and activities.
> >
> > An advisory committee of architects and
> > neuroscientists is developing
> > short- and long-term planning goals and, with an
> > organizing committee
> > primarily composed of San Diego architects, is
> > working out the academy's
> > management, communication, and business matters.
> > Among them are plans to
> > identify potential funding sources, establish
> > workshops, line up
> > projects in architecture education, and develop
> > videos and a2F/www.aia.org/aiarchitect/rom
> architecture, that has been in the works
> > for 18 months, marks
> > a "new beginning bursting with potential," said
> > Alison M. Whitelaw, San
> > Diego Architectural Foundation president, who
> > announced the legacy
> > project at the same session.
> >
> > The foundation, with the support of the AIA national
> > component and its
> > leadership, established the not-for-profit academy
> > to collect and
> > disseminate hard scientific data on links that,
> > Whitelaw said, will
> > validate existing hypotheses or provide new findings
> > to bridge
> > neuroscience research and architecture studies. The
> > academy's San Diego
> > location will take advantage of the area's nexus of
> > neuroscience experts
> > and activities.
> >
> > An advisory committee of architects and
> > neuroscientists is developing
> > short- and long-term planning goals and, with an
> > organizing committee
> > primarily composed of San Diego architects, is
> > working out the academy's
> > management, communication, and business matters.
> > Among them are plans to
> > identify potential funding sources, establish
> > workshops, line up
> > projects in architecture education, and develop
> > videos and as and responds to
> > cues from architecture, that has been in the works
> > for 18 months, marks
> > a "new beginning bursting with potential," said
> > Alison M. Whitelaw, San
> > Diego Architectural Foundation president, who
> > announced the legacy
> > project at the same session.
> >
> > The foundation, with the support of the AIA national
> > component and its
> > leadership, established the not-for-profit academy
> > to collect and
> > disseminate hard scientific data on links that,
> > Whitelaw said, will
> > validate existing hypotheses or provide new findings
> > to bridge
> > neuroscience research and architecture studies. The
> > academy's San Diego
> > location will take advantage of the area's nexus of
> > neuroscience experts
> > and activities.
> >
> > An advisory committee of architects and
> > neuroscientists is developing
> > short- and long-term planning goals and, with an
> > organizing committee
> > primarily composed of San Diego architects, is
> > working out the academy's
> > management, communication, and business matters.
> > Among them are plans to
> > identify potential funding sources, establish
> > workshops, line up
> > projects in architecture education, and develop
> > videos and an Internet
> > site.
> >
> > Neuroscience research receives $100,000 from College
> > of Fellows
> > The winning proposal, "Fundamental Neuroscience
> > Research and Development
> > for Architecture," a project presented by John P.
> > Eberhard, FAIA, seeks
> > to define and study the links between neuroscience
> > and the built
> > environment that are the focus of the academy.
> >
> >
> >
> <http://www.aia.org/aiarchitect/thisweek03/tw0509/expo2003/expo0509eberh
> > ard1.jpg> The grant, named for architect Benjamin
> > Henry Latrobe, is
> > awarded biennially by the AIA College of Fellows for
> > research leading to
> > significant advances in the architecture profession.
> > The award was
> > doubled from $50,000 to $100,000 this year. The
> > jury, which Damianos
> > stressed was not affiliated with the legacy project
> > organizers, included
> > Chair Cynthia Weese, FAIA, dean of the Washington
> > University School of
> > Architecture; Thomas W. Ventulett, FAIA, principal
> > of AIA Firm Award
> > Winner TVS & Associates; Robert Geddes, FAIA, Topaz
> > Medallion winner;
> > Robert A. Odermatt, FAIA, former College of Fellows
> > chancellor and
> > founder of the Latrobe Fellowship program; and
> > Sylvester Damianos, FAIA,
> > 2003 chancellor of the College of Fellows. The jury
> > complimented all the
> > grant proposals for promoting significant research
> > that strengthens the
> > profession.
> >
> > "We enormously appreciate the support of the College
> > of Fellows," said
> > Eberhard. "Over the next two years, we expect to
> > expand considerably the
> > knowledge base that allows us to practice
> > architecture."
> >
> > Copyright 2003 The American Institute of Architects.
> > All rights
> > reserved. Home Page  <http://www.aia.org>
> >
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