[MURG] oh, the other thing

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Eugen Leitl wrote:
> 
> Because of this everyone will ratchet up to run at
> the fastest pace
> affordable (which is at least a factor of 10^6, and
> possibly up to 10^9).
> It's basically a power issue, and power is cheap,
> especially in space.
> 

Look at computers these days. In many cases the
computer speed is at least vaguely proportional to
productivity, but you still see a lot of old machines
being used. Perhaps the simplest reason for that is
that faster machines keep coming out and no one can
continuously upgrade to stay on top.

You seem to think processing speed will eventually max
out. I don't disagree that it will, but if uploading
comes before the speed maxes out, the problem I
mentioned will exist. (I think).

> 
> If you want to talk to to me, why should I slow
> down, and miss critical
> issues? You could speed up yourself.
> 

Perhaps I'm running as fast as my hardware will let
me, but you're richer and have better hardware. If
we're friends, we're gonna want to talk. If all of
your friends are poor like me, you may have to slow
down to interact with us.

> 
> Why not 320? 3200? 320000? 3200000? 32000000?
> 

I chose an arbitrary small number to make my point,
that's why. :)

> 
> Given that the real world is effectively static but
> at nanoscale, it's best
> addressed by equivalents of our reflexes. I.e.,
> mostly autonomous systems
> (mostly operating at nanoscale).
> 

You've lost me here.

> 
> Which "real world"? You're soaking in it. Ignore the
> hardware layer at your
> peril. 
>  

Here too.

> 
> Right. So you don't visit, in person. You *live*
> there, remember.
>  

Frankly, given a choice between staying among the
fleshers and living in a fancy virtual world, I'm
gonna choose the latter.

Maybe I was unclear on what I meant. I assume an
uploaded mind has a choice of sensory inputs. Say you
can either have a video game-like virtual world
inhabited by many other virtual minds, or some sort of
presence in the slow world inhabited by the fleshers. 

You can't run at 10^6 speed and interact with the
fleshers, you'd simply be too fast and you'd be
waiting around a long long time for their reply. So I
think you have a choice: run slowly and live among
them, or run quickly and live in a virtual world.

> 
> It's a social concern largely to the flesh people,
> obviously. Can they do
> something about it, though? They certainly can't
> enforce anybody stepping
> down to their time scale (they could try, but nobody
> would listen). They 
> could upgrade themselves, though. It would be cheap,
> and probably even free,
> because flesh people are wasteful in terms of space
> and resources. 
> 

Wasteful though they be, they still have a right to
remain animals if they so choose. :)
 -Eric


	
		
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