[MURG] Real / Not real world?

[Randal A. Koene]

Hi John,

I think I'm not correctly parsing your email somehow. Can you explain to
me how "all perception is at the speed of light" (sic)? Attempting to
understand what you are saying, I think of a comparison between for
instance the rate of depletion/regeneration of photoreceptors in the human
eye and the shutter rate of a high speed camera. Those two are clearly not
the same, and neither is either one of them taking pictures at the "speed
of light" (whatever that means). As perception must certainly begin with
sensory input, it would seem that such is constrained to rates that have
very little to do with the speed of light. (And how are speed/rate
related in this context?) It seems that you could vastly increase the
visual processing rate beyond that of humans before bumping into any
physical constraints. Please explain your argument!

Thanks,
       Randal

On Tue, 25 May 2004, John Latimer wrote:

> Hey there,
>
> I agree entirely that the "Real World" shall set the
> pace for all intelligence pre or post uploading.
>
> There is a rythm to all life, and that rythm is not
> mutable.  The simple fact that our perception is that
> the speed of light is never changing evidences that
> our perception is intrinsically timed with the speed
> of light.  Of course the speed of light changes, but
> our experience of life does not allow us to perceive
> it since the "speed of life" changes right along with
> the "speed of light".
>
> I understand the concept of advancing the "reference"
> speed in such a manner that the simulation will run
> faster with out being aware of the change, but in the
> end, it would be just that: a simulation.  At the rate
> of 3000 years of simulation per day of reality as has
> been suggested, their would be a serious shortage of
> content for the simulation to emulate.  Information
> and experience can only be stretched so far.
>
> If the goal is to go on living, then the requirement
> must be to continue experiencing life.  I continue to
> propose that life exists at and in conjunction with
> the speed of light.  The information flow and
> experiences that add up to living can only be sampled
> at the rate that reality offers it. (excepting for
> compressed data which would still allow for the same
> net sum in the end.)
>
> John L.
>
> --- Thomas Weber <aad1trailmaker at yahoo.ca> wrote:
> > >
> > >Thomas Weber:
> > The "Real World" is not slow or fast. It simply is.
> > And it is the only world in which the upload will
> > exist. I am familiar with the concept of the
> > uploaded
> > mind existing in the virtual reality perhaps 32
> > times
> > faster than "the real world", but this sounds to me
> > like a cyber-psychotic condition. Our thoughts,
> > dreams, visions and other mental activities other
> > than
> > actual perception can be refered to as neuro-virtual
> > reality. And yes we can dream up situations occuring
> > in our our minds 32 times faster than the "real
> > world"
> > which is useful for planning and considering various
> > options. If however at some point we don't connect
> > our
> > mental process to reality we are said to be
> > psychotic
> > - loosing touch with reality. The mind is a
> > reflection
> > of the real world and it is the only place in which
> > it
> > can exist on long term basis.
> > We can compare a snail's mind and a human mind. Both
> > exist in the real world which is neither too fast
> > for
> > the snail or too slow for the human. But the serious
> > difference in the processing speed between the snail
> > and the human is the reason for the mentioned social
> > concern. Snails and humans don't socialize much.
> > Similiar difference may exist between and upload and
> > and a flesh human which most probably will cause
> > social concerns and other various ramifications.
> > Thomas
> > >
> > >
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