[MURG] Real / Not real world?

[John Latimer]

Hey there,

--- "Randal A. Koene" <rak at minduploading.org> wrote:
> Hi John,
> 
> Thanks, that clarified a lot. Now, your argument is
> that a superfast brain
> would process all the available information very
> rapidly and then run out
> of stuff to do. I think that argument is based on a
> limited view of VR.

John L: I must admit that I had not considered that
the interactions/intensity/information could be
comming from within the VR with other agents also
running at the same accelerated time reference.

> You are assuming that what goes on in VR depends on
> external input, i.e.
> that it is not a self-sufficient system. Yet a
> community of uploads
> existing in the same VR could well experience entire
> lives there with all
> the intellectual stimulation that their interactions
> produce. 

John L:  I still believe that if the hardware on which
the VR is running physically exists in this world, it
will be limited by the constrainsts of this world. 
The simulation may run faster, but there will be a
limit to how fast the electrons or photons will
process.

Just to look
> at it from a philosophical flip-side for a moment:
> Who can guarantee
> you that you are not living inside someone's VR
> right now?

John L: Actually, things that were once philosophical
often become proven fact with time and observation. 
If the true nature of the universe is of a holographic
"anything is everything" nature, then we just haven't
gotten around to proving it quite yet.

I don't
> actually advocate such a philosophical view, but it
> serves the point with
> regard to the separation between interaction with
> the "outside" and
> experiences generated "within".

John L: From outside or within,
interactions/information per unit of time passage is
what we experience as Life and Living.  

I still subscribe to the concept that had been given
that to break from reality and live completely in a
virtual reality would be the equivalent of
scitzophrenia.  VR would be nice to visit for a while
and "get away" so to speak, but our senses and actions
must come back to the reality in which we physically
exist for grounding or we Literally lose touch with
reality...

Of course, ignorance is bliss and in the scenarion
presented in the movie The Matrix, the subjects were
blissfully unaware of their physical reality and
existed mentally only in the VR of the matrix.  Even
the Judas character who was betraying his crew
requested as a condition of his reward that he be
placed back in the matrix but WITHOUT memory of the
true nature of his physical existance.

John L.
> 
> Cheers,
>        Randal
> 


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John A. Latimer



The Hologenic Man