[MURG] Re: Sim Schmim

[James Swayze]

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>Message: 3
>Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 00:33:53 +0100
>From: Sim Bamford <sim at plaything.co.uk>
>To: murg at minduploading.org
>Subject: [MURG] Re: Mind uploading X prize
>Reply-To: murg at minduploading.org
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>Re: Uploading sounding kooky -
>It does a bit, doesn't it? So when presenting this it could be put in 
>terms of a "simulation". That's what a non-destructive upload is, 
>essentially.
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Umm, just how so? What exactly, on a data to data comparison, do you see 
as the difference between the two that would suggest that non 
destructive is a mere sim?

I totally disagree. What we talk about here is the same result, an 
upload, arrived at by two different means. One happens from a theoretic 
hopefully available someday fine res scan of the brain's neuronal 
pattern, with commensurate chemical potentialities as needed if needed 
and all sundry whatever elses, tthese possibly rrived at through genome 
and poteome studies or the product of advanced neuroscience research, 
and then copied to a silicon substrate. Destructrive is a copy in the 
same way but by mapping the slices of a frozen or otherwise fixed brain. 
Each are maps of neuronal connections just arrived at by two different 
means.

Wherein with these processes does one become anymore a sim than the 
other? Arguably they both are if any one is at all. But perhaps a better 
explanation of a sim is an estimation of behavior mimiced in a computer 
and nowhere nohow a representative, not even a copy of the original, any 
original... just as a painting of an apple is not a copy of the apple, 
presumably one could eat the copy.

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>So, The grand prize for an "exact" simulation of a living individual. 
>Smaller prizes for the sub-goals of an "exact" simulation of a nematode 
>worm and a rat. Correct me if I'm wrong but from all the doubts about 
>this being professed I don't hear any serious dissent from the idea of 
>presenting this as a possible prize-worthy subject to the X prize 
>people? In any case I'm up for submitting it once refined, together with 
>Shane and whoever else is up for it (?)
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Forget simulation. Lave that to the AI guys.

James

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