[MURG] Re: various replies

[Thomas Weber]

James Swayze:

> Respectfully Thomas I disagree with any attempts to
> leave behind any 
> large portions of whatever constitutes an
> individual's mind.

Thomas Weber:
What I am hearing from you is a desire to get the best
possible outcome out of the deal and I agree with you.
The only reason that I am a proponent of selective
mind uploading is that we are pioneering a new science
and we are not ready for a full success just yet. Full
success will be achieved one step at a time.

James:
You don't 
> get Mozart's music with only his musical knowledge
> or even talent. You 
> instead get a music textbook. To get him with his
> ability to make *his* 
> music you need all his personality, the highs and
> the lows, and I think 
> you know what I mean.

Thomas:
In this example Mozart's music is the fruit of his
mind. All other aspects of his personality ultimately
led to his music, but might not be as important from
our stand point. His music (his creation)has been
recorded. We can design a program which will analyze
his music and pick the paterns and style. It will then
project these patterns forward composing new Mozart's
music. What happens in this case is his creative
process continued even though he is gone for very
long.
As simple as it sounds I am tempted to argue that this
will constitute an example of successful selective
mind uploading.


>James: 
> However, desirous one is to leave behind certain
> widely varying aspects 
> of their personality for the experiment to be judged
> a success it will 
> require that the individual be as closely the same
> as the original as 
> possible.

Thomas:
I visualize mind uploading as an opportunity for a
major mind overhaul. When thinking of myself as an
example I don't want my uploaded mind to be as close
as possible to the original. The reason is that there
is too many imperfections and too little control. For
instance I am not happy with some aspects of my memory
and as an upload I wish to be able to simply add some
extra circuits when necessary. 
Another question is which original? My observation is
that the mind is a process rather than an object and
it is undergoing constant change. If I really wanted
the best out of the deal my original current mind
wouldn't be it. I am gradually becoming old and some
things are not the same anymore.
To be a happy upload I would rather pick the best of
my experiences and combine them in one package. It
would still be "the original" for the experiences
would be strictly mine and they would be arranged by
me. Here I will list some of the desired package
components:
*Intense curiosity, wonderment and imagination of the
time when I was only 5-7 years old. The best part of
that period is the learning ability.
*The vigor, bravery and healthy aggresion of the
teens.
*The social smoothness of the twenties.
*The creative awakening wave of the thirties.
*The maturity of the forties.

James:
 The individual may do self actualizing
> subroutine rewrites as 
> they see fit after their identity is established to
> have survived the 
> process. Otherwise all we have *IS* only a
> *SIMULATION* and not an 
> *EMULATION* or rather *DUPLICATION*.
> Any old sim could be achieved by modeling behavior
> and not necessarily 
> reproducing a true copy of every nuance and fine
> neural pattern.

Thomas:
I still stick to the Wright Brothers strategy.
Simulation or duplication may not transfer the
consciousness, but it will be a step in the right
direction.


Kind Regards,
Thomas

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