[MURG] Re: Cryonics costs

[Anna]

If you add personal memory to DNA, then 'you' will be 'you'  because we are conditioned by our memory.
With the mind uploading you fall into a trap as you  have to admit that mind can be transferred from a container to a container ( brain, or similar) and what follows,
mind  can exist  ( live?) disembodied. If so, then why not admit next that life after  death is possible too and NDE in such case could  be a  proof ? of mind's survival.
Logical thinking requires that any  selection or rejection of axioms must be consequent.  

Mind uploading is a great idea in case of people who are in a great need of  new bodies while still living and their minds deserve to be  preserved, like Hawkins for example.
But remember, that most mental growth  comes from the sensory  lessons and our bodies, ugly or beautiful,  greatly influence  the mind structure and quality.
I do not know if you are familiar with the Thomas Mann writings, but he wrote  a short novel about a "potato couch"  type intelectual  who became jealous of a carpenter's muscular and strong body and one day offered him a trade. Since the carpenter always wanted to be intellectual, he agreed. It was all fine at start, but eventually the carpenter lost his intellectual inkling , while  the fat body he took from the intelectual was becoming only more beautiful and muscular  day by day from chopping the wood.  At the same time, a similar situation was happening to the intellectual, and  in the end he lost his muscles and vigor and  looked just as bad as he did  before the trade.

Anna

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Eric Zilli 
  To: murg at minduploading.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 7:35 AM
  Subject: Re: [MURG] Re: Cryonics costs


  Um... what exactly do you plan to do with the DNA? You are a product
  of your genes and your environment. A clone created from your DNA may
  be your genetic twin, but it would not be the same person, in the same
  way that if you have an identical twin, they aren't you.


  On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 01:14:27 -0700, Anna <pantheon at ix.netcom.com> wrote:
  > 
  > < I've made before: if anyone is considering cryonics,
  > it would be very wise to opt for a full-body cryonics option, failing
  > that: full head and spinal column, failing that: head only, failing
  > that: carve your name into an ice cube and include a polaroid, if
  > possible.>
  >  
  > That's too complicated, don't you think? Why not just DNA?
  > Anna
  > 


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